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In Renaissance paintings God and other important religious figures were painted larger in scale to show thier importance.

Beth: Careful! This is a medieval characteristic, since it's not very real for some figures to be larger than others right? I mean George Bush isn't 5x the size of everyone else

depth to the painting

This dark figure looks like it is floating in space and not actually standing on the rock, which i think is a characteristic of the medieval or proto renaissance period. There is a lack of realism to it

This is end of the 13th century because western society began to refer and become inspired by Roman work i.e. the Doric Chiton/ Byzantine Pallium (toga) that Jesus and Co. have draped.
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This painting is probably from the Renaissance. It's landscape and buildings are three dimensional and show more depth than earlier paintings from the middle ages.

Another reason this is an early Renaissance painting is because the human forms shown (although enlarged) are still a much more realistic form than the way they were being painted in the middle ages, which was much more free flowing and off scale.

See, this rock has highlights!

Is Christ's body in proportion? Or is it elongated like the figures in the medieval mosaic?

Do these feet look like they stand on the ground and support the weight of the body?

Jesus appears to be slightly floating above the rock instead of standing on it.

The buildings in this painting is a great example of modeling. They look very 3d, especially in comparison to the "human" figures.

even the sky above the being is darker compared to the angels behind god in the upper right corner.

I think this painting has MEDIEVAL style. It lacks realism, images and its proportions aren't balanced. The scenario; from times where people were very much intimidated by the church or religious believes. see the fear of the people behind jesus. And jesus between the good & the bad. Medieval style

Right under his eyebrow, there is very rich dark shadow. There is also on his lower cheak. Those shadows on his face make it more smooth, round, and real. In fact, this is the most realistic part of this paiting.

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Cool castle.

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I like the small castle in the corner dwarfed by the people - suggestive of importance?

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emily_pangle says:

this painting looks Renaissance in style for many reasons. the scale at which the angels and God are drawn is much larger than the town they are towering above. this size difference takes them out of the human world. also it seems like a Renaissance painting b/c the bodys of the figures are covered by drapery with no outline of the body. in the painting it appears that the God in blue is protecting the angels behind him from a dark evil creature or the God is forcing the dark creature to leave the town and he and the angels together are protecting it.
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jeaninefajardo says:

This painting appears to have been created in the Renaissance era. First and foremost, there is a great deal of depth to the painting. You can actually look into the painting and see far beyond the image of the figures. In medieval times, the focus of painting was not based on natural landscapes or lifelike figures. There is a foreshortening created in the painting as well. The figures are standing on one plane, however, we can see another level which appears closer to us in distance. There is a good deal of drapery, making the image appear lifelike. It appears that the figure in blue and red is attempting to ward off an evil being which wants to create turmoil in the city.
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beauty4cuty says:

I agree with the other classmates that this painting was created in the Renaissance Era. One of the reason is because this particular painting look very real. In Module 2 the Giotto Madonna painting give the affect of realization of sense of three dimensional figures. Also in this painting the artist uses the Hierarchy of Scales the figures in the dark, the angels, and the figure in the red in blue are much bigger than the surounding images. The artist is stressing the importance of the all figures. In theis painting it look like good verses evil. Good is represent on the right side of the painting the man in the red and blue garment look like he represent the prophet and and his protection is behind him which are the angels. It alos looks like he coming to put a stop to something the way his hand is being stretch out to touch the man in the dark shodow which to me represent evil.
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dianemontalto says:

I think this painting was done during the Renaissance period. For starters, it is three dimensional and very much spacious both in the skies and between the mountains. To me, it looks like it was painted in the same fresco style just like paintings from Giotto such as the Last Judgement in the Arena chapel. The painting also supports the Renaissance era because of how God is portrayed as the main point in the picture. (at least to me, that is what I noticed first.) and during that time people started to really think about their relationships with God. I see God with the good angels behind him punishing an angel who has fallen. Perhaps the fallen angel was going to harm the villiage and God was about to stop him here.

-Diane Montalto
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trdalvano says:

i agree with the other classmates, this painting was probably done during the renassance era. for various reasons, in short the fact that there is not much body shape- draped clothing and it doesnt have a realness affect because the men in the painting are bigger than the houses and mountains.
the first thing that i noticed about this paining was the proportions of the bodies. , they do have a sense of weight though. if you look at "gods" ankles they are buckleing. i thought it was clever that the painter painted "god" and what appears to be an "evil" angle perhaps the "devil" in similar body proportions, where-as the angles in the backround appear to be smaller. this is conveying to me that the angeles are no much for a powerfull being like the "devil".
i think the painting does have a sense of foreshadowing. there is great depth in the painting, which pop's out the forefront of the painting. there is an excellent illusion of space. by positioning god, the evil being, the houses and the mountains all on different plains really brings the painting to life.
i love gothic paintings, this one is great, from the colors used, to the way he used black to convey the messege that one angle was "evil", to to the shapes of the houses and mountains. the painting flows great, and all the depth brought me in and made me feel like i was their.
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elisediamantini says:

I agree with the rest of the class when they say the painting is from the Renaissance. The arrangement of the figures is very important in this painting because of how the figures are bigger than the village in comparison to one another. This is another reason why I belive it is from the Renaissance because it illustartes the hierarchy of scale. The artist painted the figures bigger than the village showing the importance of the figures (which is what Renaissance artists tried to achieve.) I also think that the figure in the middle, which I think resembles Jesus is the most important one, not only because it is where the eye is drawn first, but because he is larger than the others as well as positioned on a higher cliff than the others. The painting shows how much more important the angels and the figure in red and blue are than the village, as if they are of a higher power. Another reason why I think this painting is from the renaissance is the use of space- in the Renaissance the artists tried to make their paintings look much more 3D than in the middle ages, where figures in the paintings looked 2D. For example, the mountains especially look like they have mass and they could actually hold the people standing on them. The foreshortening in this painting is also done well, and in a way to imply the Renaissance period. For example, the way the people and landscape is painted shows some hills in the front, figures in the middle and it looks like there is a village in the background. I think the painter did a good job with this and gave the painting nice depth and again, a more 3 dimensional look.
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beth h. says:

Hey how come no one is using the "add note" feature? That's the coolest thing -- you get a little square you can move around the picture to the part you want to comment on, and then you can write something. Try it!
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beth h. says:

We seem to have REAL CONFUSION here! Read this carefully and go back and review!

There seems to be some major confusion about what the Renaissance style is!

The fact that the scale of the angels and Christ is different from the town -- is NOT a Renaissance feature, but a medieval feature. Its not real for people to be 20x the size of architecture is it??

In the Renaissance, with Giotto, we begin to see figures in spaces that make sense.

If there is NO outline of the body, or no sense of the body -- then that is also NOT a Renaissance feature, but a medieval feature (in medieval art there is no concern for the human body, which was often shown weightless and elongated).

The Renaissance was interested in realism -- in terms of space and the human body! If we can't see the body or if the body is out of proportion, then that is NOT the Renaissance style!

Also, remember simple overlapping is NOT foreshortening (careful -- not "foreshadowing"). So, if you see foreshortening, please say where.

We can't use the term hierarchy of scale here -- since that is a term that is about the sizes of human figures relative to eachother (to show their importance) -- and you seem to be talking about how the figures are bigger than the city below.

Remember you must always give examples -- if you see modeling you must say where!

And it's not important that there is alot of drapery -- what's important is whether the drapery reveals the form of the body underneath.

Is there really an illusion of depth that makes sense?? Does that city make sense? Does it make sense with these figures?

And is the Renaissance the time when people started to focus on their relationbship with God?? Please go back and read about Humanism and the differences between the Middle Ages and the Renaissance.
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ha112_andreamena says:

The painting looks to have been painted during the Rensissance period. God and other important religious figures were painted larger in scale to show thier importance. I also see foreshadowing, the city has a great deal of depth to it because it makes you look farther into the painting and the closer structures come at you more. The detailed drapery makes the figure look lifelike. there is good versus evil going on in the painting. God is telling the creature to leave the city, while the angels are there to protect the city.
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jbonsanti says:

As i analyzed this painting my guess is that it is a painting is from the Middle Ages, even though it seems to be from the Renaissance. There are no humans or what appears to be real people in this painting. There is a just emphasis on what appears to be Jesus or some figure of importance who is not a mortal. In the Middle Ages, the focus was on people's relationship with God and in this painting Christ, the son of God seems to be the main focus with some angels in the top right hand corner. Christ seems to be casting out what appears to be a demon or even the devil from his kingdom. The arrangement of Christ in this painting is definetley of importance to the artist, which is what makes me believe that it is from the Middle ages as opposed to the Renaissance. It also looks as though Christ's body is placed on he rock in which he is standing on. It looks as though there is no real weight. What really catches my eye in this painting is how the artists is using space in this piece. The buildings or kingdom is so small compared to the angels behind it and the center figures. It is not a realistic portrayal. There is depth but it is an illusion. If this painting were created during the Renaissance i feel that the people and town would be more realistic speaking in terms of size.
The dark figure being cast away by Christ also looks liek it was just placed in the picture and has no realism to it. It looks like its floating on top of the rocks it is standing on. It has no real weight. As for the drapery, it does not expose any realistic depth or give way to modeling of the figures in the painting. The sleeves of the angels look liek they have some drapery as does the robe of Christ but it still doesn't give the viewer a sense of where certain body parts are how big the figure actually is. An feature of the Rennasance paintings i portraying the bodies as bulky or biggger and hving them look 3 dimensional. I don' t see that in this painting.
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nicholasmoncada says:

It’s obvious that this painting was done in the mid to late 13th century. I refer to this by the clothing that Jesus and Co. are wearing, it was about this time in the end of the middle ages that western society began to refer and become inspired by Roman work i.e. the Doric Chiton/ Byzantine Pallium (toga) that Jesus and Co. have draped.
Also, observing the architecture of the cities, one of the major points is that the windows and doors are all that of the Gothic arch, especially the main door at the lower right hand corner fort.
Another factor that shows the fall of medieval times is the revival of the Greek/ Roman’s use of perspective rendering starting at the base and tapering into the foreground behind Satan and Jesus creating a three dimensional space.
Even though there is no other humanoid refernce other than Jesus and Co. and Satan there is an obvious use of Hierarchy placement. Jesus is standing on the mountain banishing Satan who has no ground but in a shadowy valley.
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correiaka says:

The photo above has a very Gothic feel to it which leads me to beleive that it is from the Medieval era. The Shape of the buildings and the gothic arches give it a rather dark feel. And the size of god and the other citizens in the picture is also a Medieval characteristic. How God is centeded in the image shows that he is the center point of attention. To me this picture has reas good vs. evil feel to it. How god is protecting the town from the evil spirit that is in the background, almost like the god is punishing this spirit and sending him to the dark town... that lingers in the shadows in the back. The dark figure in the background portrays itself as being evil, and dark, the artist did a good job with this using different shadowing and not using a lot of realistic traits. The picture is also very 3D... it feels as if you could walk right into it. Basically the over all feel of this painting is that god is protecting the city from evil spirit..
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KDoh says:

It looks medieval. The artist barely knows how to do the drapery, all the figures including the castles are floating because there's no foreshortning and no shadows underneath them, the theme of the painting is religious and not humanistic, and the people are bigger than all the castles. Plus, the shapes of the bodies look a little awkward, especially Jesus's. His upper body is so small that it seems his intestines can't fit in there.

However, I can't say this "must be" medieval, because it's not totally flat and the castles in front are bigger than the ones in the back. And even though the perspective isn't right, we can clearly see that the castles are 3 dimensional, and there are various lights and darks on the rocks. So I should say it's between Proto-Renaissance and Middle Ages.
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courtneyregele says:

This painting appears to derive from the Middle Ages. Becuase of the specific details of this painting, I would say that it was painted somewhere in between the middle ages. The dark angellike figure reflects the Middle Ages, ecause this Middle Ages were often desribed as the Dark Ages. This was because of the decline for 'human achievement.' I feel like this piece of art is almost associating Christ with the dark rhelm. In the painting you can see Christ lending out a hand to a figure that is almost looked down upon.
This piece can also be considered from the Middle Ages, because it focuses on the teachings of Christ and the church. Christ standing on a rock above town almost creates an illusion that he is empowering and above all. This artwork creates a powerful statement and force forseen by Christ and the people of the town who look up to him.
The Middle Ages also are where medieval was dervied from. The buildings and cathedreals in this painting reflect the medieval sense in that they have the large windows and oversized architecture. When one typically things of medieval, castles are usually a forward thought and this painting seems to display castle like buildings.
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tapemymouthshut3 says:

This painting seems to be done in the Middle ages. The first thing i realize when looking at this painting is the scale of the figures to the buildings. Artists from this time used hieratic scale in paintings, making saints or members of the family of God larger in scale. The unimportant figures were drawn smaller. Humans are not even shown in this painting. The middle ages concentrated on the relationship with God. It seems as if God or Jesus in the painting is shunning the demon and pointing him to leave. People during the middle ages did not understand the world. They prayed and had faith that everything would work out. Although the painting does have depth and space, if you compare it with a painting from the Renaissance it has much less space and three dimension depth.

Samantha Hendrickson
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shopaholic925@sbcglobal.net says:

I agree that this painting was done in the Middle Ages. As others have pointed out, Christ is the central figure of the painting, towering above all the others literally and figuratively. The Renaissance is when people started to gain knowledge of the world and not to only look to God for everything; this painting contradicts that. The figures to the right are looking to Christ, pleading that he will make this demon-like creature leave; they believed that asking help from God was their only option. The architecture of the buildings down below is also an example of this being a Middle Age painting, since they are done in a gothic style.
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janinemas says:

I think this painting is from the Middle Ages. The painting is focusing on God and the angels The painting has a religous nature which is a characteristic of the Middle Ages. The castles in the painting are a sign of medieval times. It shows the power of God as he stands on the rock above the city. He is protecting the city. I don't see the evil that others have mentioned. It looks to me like God is sending the angel down to proctect the city.
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myoyostud1227 says:

In my opinion, this painting has a strong quality if fresco painting, and I can relate that to the painting in the arena chapel from the module. In fresco painting, the quality looks very ancient, almost cracked and peeling away which is most evident in the sky of this painting. I feel it may be a painting from the Renaissance era mostly for the usage of space in this painting. We can see landscape. There is foreground, middle ground and backround, we can feel the dimensions, and different proportions lead me to believe it tends to want to look the most realistic possible. True the proportions are sort of unrealiztic considering the size of figures, but I know that there is plenty of symbolism behind the objects and everything is intentional. Another reason why I am led to believe that this is a Renaissance period is due to the expression of the faces of each character. For example in this painting we see the devil frowning, upset at the arrival of Jesus, who apparently seems to have saved the cities. Jesus' face is full of tranquility and harmony and the angels, to me at least, seem to look up to him in a sense of admiration. These expressions are also noticed in the painting we reviewed called the Lamentation, as Mary's expression and the surrounding people, becomes significant.
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Natalia_Shaulova says:

This painting looks Medieval to me – the Medieval Art was reflecting a relationship with God and religion , which was of an interest of people back then big time. The proportions of the people shown on the picture are strange- they are not made as regular people on purpose – their size is huge compared to the castles around. This is an evidence of this painting being a Medieval painting – in Renaissance the scale of people should be different. Jesus that’s is painted on the picture point out to the demon as if he orders him not to do something again or tells him to leave. Jesus is also can be seen in full, when the angels are a little bit on a side .I think that the painter clearly pointed out on two most important figures in this painting- Jesus and the Demon.
Draperies show the form of the body underneath a little bit .We can also notice modeling (chiaroscuro) when looking closely at the castles at the bottom of the painting. The artists creates a sense of 3D picture at the bottom of the picture , it is almost a line that divides the picture into 2 parts , though the rest of the picture remains mostly flat, except the Jesus’ feet .
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annamaria_vitale says:

This painting appears to be from the Middle Ages to me. Paintings of the Middle Ages are more focused on peoples relationship with God then the actual form of the body. As you can see, Jesus' body is out of proportion and we do not see the Angels full bodies. I also think that this painting could be early renaissance because of the three dimensional buildings and landscapes. Also on the dark angel, the human form is shown more.
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arringtonamanda says:

I think that this painting is from the medieval era. It is clear that things are not painted in a accurate scale to real life. The body is not in proportion, however the anatomy of the body does make sense. there doesn't seem to be a sense of weight because Jesus appears to be kind of hovering above the rock. The figures are not arranged porportionaly to the background. There is foreshorting with Jesus and the dark angel, however Jesus is the figure that stands out the furthest. There is a sense of space. This is caused by the peaks and valleys in the rocks and with the shadowing. Also, the buildings and "mountains" appear 3d and Jesus and the dark angel appear flat. Its looks like the painting was painted and then Jesus and the dark angel were pasted on top of it.
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shakirabateman says:

I agree with my classmates this painting appears to have been made during the renaissance. During this period religious figures were drawn larger to display its importance. As you can see the picture is three dimensional along with great depth and detail because you can see more of the town in the distance behind and in front of the major figures. A technique further expressed during the renaissance rather than the Middle Ages. Another characteristic of the renaissance was the use of drapery and the life like figures. In the painting it appears that God is banishing a fallen angel or evil. For example in the painting God is pointing at the dark being, further more the dark being is in all black, even the sky above the being is darker compared to the angels behind god in the upper right corner. The dark angel appears to be afloat while God is grounded with his feet firmly on the mountain. In contradiction God hand looks to be not pointing but touching the being because his face appears merciful.
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jeaninefajardo says:

At first glance, I strongly felt that this painting was created in the Renaissance, however, after looking at it again, I can now see some of the medieval features of the piece. Although there are few Renaissance features, such as the modeling on the castle, the vast majority of it does portray medieval features. Clearly, there is not a Humanist point of view in the painting as there was in the Renaissance. Medieval paintings were almost always religious in their purpose being that most of Europe was illiterate at that time and used paintings to understand the stories in the Bible. Also, after looking at the painting again, the figure of Christ appears flatter and slightly less life like than before. I found it slightly confusing to decipher the time span when this was created being that I see medieval and Renaissance aspects in it, however, now I can more clearly see the Medieval features.
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kumestar says:

I'm sorry I'm late. I had really hard time to log on to SLN.

At the moment when I first looked this painting, I thought it was made in the Renaissance because I saw some space behind the Crist, and the infront of him. Comparing to the painting in the Proto-Renaissance in mini-lecture, this painting has a lot richer shadows on the Crist's face. Those rocks look rugged, and also their heights are different from each other, so I can see the distance between those rocks. All those buildings' heights depths are various, and their lines look like drawn by rulers; in other words, those buildings are accuracy three dementioned, although they themselves don't look very real.
There are certainly the body line of the Christ and evil. Christ's right leg seems bended, and his weight seems mostly on his left. The evils thighs look heavier than his calves.
However, more I looked, more I realized that there were also some charactoristics from the medieval era. Forexample, I guess the larger figures of Christ, evil, and angels than those cities are showing how important to human beings the God's world was. So, I think that thinking God more importantly is the feature of the medieval era.
Since people in the medieval era did not know how to describe people's figure in three demention yet, I beleive this painting is made some time in very early Renaissance when artists were still using the medieval features, but trying new Renaissance features as well.
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beth h. says:

Careful -- just because this painting is a religious subject, does NOT mean that this is medieval and not Renaissance. Western art is primarily religious in subject matter until the 1700s! And I want to talk not about the subject here, but how the artist painted space and the body etc.

Looking at the figure of Christ, can anyone tell me if there is a sense of the body underneath the drapery here? I think only one or two of you did that, and that no one gave me examples ("I can see the knee pressing through the drapery") That is one of the FIRST questions you should ask yourself -- and it is a question I listed for you in my silly "BAD FEMS" document.

Related questions are:
1) Is the body in correct proportion? If not, how can you tell -- you must explain what you see that makes you say that.
2) Does the figure have a sense of weight?
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beth h. says:

In case you can't tell, the background here is flat gold (yes, literally gold leaf). Any differences that you see there in light and dark are just the reproduction or the results of aging.

Now, do you think a flat gold background is a medieval or a Renaissance characteristic?
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kumestar says:

Oh...I did not mean that Christianity is not important after Renaissence. I just thought Humanity is more about human than thinking about God. Since even in my English-Japanese dictionary, I could not find any clear difinition of Humanity, so I might have miss understood. Anyway, I was thinking like this; in Medieval era, the world did not care about personal existance. The lords, kings, and Gods were what mattered at that time, and they were also the only subjects for Arts. But in Renaisence, people realized their own lives, and as a result, artists started to draw subjects in scientifically correct way like Foreshortening so that those works of art had some reality. I'm not sure what I'm thinking is right for how it was in both eras, so if Beth could make me clear, that would help so much.
By the way, in this painting, the God, evil, and angels are drawn bigger than cities where actual people existed. Therefore, I see some sense from Medieval era as well as the feature from Renaissence; for example, the spacing between all those objects in the paintings like buildings, rocks, etc.
About the propotion of the Christ, I see the sense of his body line. For example, his left elbow looks out and down a little bit since his left twist is bended down. As Beth mentioned, I could also see his knee bending under the robe which looks curvy. I also see his left leg is pretty much straight and from the way the drapey is spreading from his left to right, so his weight is almost on his left leg, but it's moving toward to his right leg since he is trying to catch the evil.
I am sorry if I wrote too much.
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beauty4cuty says:

I thought the background was the contrast in coloring going from light to dark. I am still not sure if the painting is a medieval or Renaissance charateristic but if i had to take a guess it would be Rnaissance. The reason i chose that era is because the symobic character used int the picture such as Christ
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beth h. says:

Are you saying that because Christ is in the painting it is from the Renaissance? I am asking for an examination of how the painting LOOKS in terms of the treatment of the human figure and the treatment of space and those kinds of issues that I raised in my mini-lectures and audios.
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lina_kinthiseng says:

It looks more renaissance to me. I was googling some other renaissance paitings and the style looks very similar, with the same concepts.
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